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		<title>By: things I don&#8217;t understand, part 10 &#171; Write About Now</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[things I don&#8217;t understand, part 10 &#171; Write About Now]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] How pastors at churches with 17 different Bible study options, a Mother&#8217;s Day Out ministry, seniors&#8217; trips to Branson, a bookstore, Financial Peace University, scrapbooking nights, exercise classes, a preschool and 43 staff members still believe they are leading a &#8220;simple church.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How pastors at churches with 17 different Bible study options, a Mother&#8217;s Day Out ministry, seniors&#8217; trips to Branson, a bookstore, Financial Peace University, scrapbooking nights, exercise classes, a preschool and 43 staff members still believe they are leading a &#8220;simple church.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: things I don&#8217;t understand, part 10 &#171; Write About Now</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[things I don&#8217;t understand, part 10 &#171; Write About Now]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] How pastors at churches with 17 different Bible study options, a Mother&#8217;s Day Out ministry, seniors&#8217; trips to Branson, a bookstore, Financial Peace University, scrapbooking nights, exercise classes, a preschool and 43 staff members still believe they are leading a &#8220;simple church.&#8221; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How pastors at churches with 17 different Bible study options, a Mother&#8217;s Day Out ministry, seniors&#8217; trips to Branson, a bookstore, Financial Peace University, scrapbooking nights, exercise classes, a preschool and 43 staff members still believe they are leading a &#8220;simple church.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Al Forthman</title>
		<link>http://writeaboutnowjt.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/simply-perfect-2/#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Forthman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am saddened when I see any proposal that would attempt to define the &quot;right&quot; way to do church, live Christianly, etc.  We are blessed with an amazing diversity of temperments, gifts, etc.  Even the differences between the Biblical authors should remind us of this.  God is creative, not formulaic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am saddened when I see any proposal that would attempt to define the &#8220;right&#8221; way to do church, live Christianly, etc.  We are blessed with an amazing diversity of temperments, gifts, etc.  Even the differences between the Biblical authors should remind us of this.  God is creative, not formulaic!</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://writeaboutnowjt.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/simply-perfect-2/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the idea is to get rid of anything not evangelical.....it&#039;s anything not &lt;i&gt;missional&lt;/i&gt;. The book advocates first deciding your mission  or &quot;process&quot; of building disciples, then focusing energy on what fits that mission. So Celebrate Recovery, or an all-church picnic, or a Christmas program may or may not fit within the mission (usually broader than just winning souls) and should be evaluated accordingly.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As a side note I&#039;m also an advocate of the arts, but I think the Christmas cantata, etc. is passe. In my experience they&#039;re mostly attended by existing church members and maybe some close friends or family, many of whom are also already believers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the authors would say, rather than adding another program draining thousands of dollars and dozens or hundreds of volunteers, why not invest that energy and money into the artistic excellence of weekend services, which are already part of the mission? It&#039;s not about getting rid of the arts, in that instance, it&#039;s getting rid of the program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the idea is to get rid of anything not evangelical&#8230;..it&#8217;s anything not <i>missional</i>. The book advocates first deciding your mission  or &#8220;process&#8221; of building disciples, then focusing energy on what fits that mission. So Celebrate Recovery, or an all-church picnic, or a Christmas program may or may not fit within the mission (usually broader than just winning souls) and should be evaluated accordingly.</p>
<p>As a side note I&#8217;m also an advocate of the arts, but I think the Christmas cantata, etc. is passe. In my experience they&#8217;re mostly attended by existing church members and maybe some close friends or family, many of whom are also already believers.</p>
<p>I think the authors would say, rather than adding another program draining thousands of dollars and dozens or hundreds of volunteers, why not invest that energy and money into the artistic excellence of weekend services, which are already part of the mission? It&#8217;s not about getting rid of the arts, in that instance, it&#8217;s getting rid of the program.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Baker</title>
		<link>http://writeaboutnowjt.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/simply-perfect-2/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kyle Baker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there&#039;s a spectrum here.. certainly any corporation needs defined goals, and increased efficiency will only aid in pursuit of the goal; but corporations in pursuit of their own goals at the expense of any other besides being focused also meet the definition of pychotic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If a Church&#039;s #1 goal is to make more christians, I guess we shouldn&#039;t have  Divorce Recovery, the Christmas Cantata, the Church Picnic, possibly the choir as a whole... but is that what Jesus came to do?  Surely AA, MOPS, the Arts, and all the other ministries have value beyond their ability to produce christians.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As an artist, it&#039;s very apparent to me that the Arts exist to glorify God, and the 2 millenia of church arts are testament to that.  Theologically, what does it say to jettison all activities that aren&#039;t expressly evangelical?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a spectrum here.. certainly any corporation needs defined goals, and increased efficiency will only aid in pursuit of the goal; but corporations in pursuit of their own goals at the expense of any other besides being focused also meet the definition of pychotic.</p>
<p>If a Church&#8217;s #1 goal is to make more christians, I guess we shouldn&#8217;t have  Divorce Recovery, the Christmas Cantata, the Church Picnic, possibly the choir as a whole&#8230; but is that what Jesus came to do?  Surely AA, MOPS, the Arts, and all the other ministries have value beyond their ability to produce christians.  </p>
<p>As an artist, it&#8217;s very apparent to me that the Arts exist to glorify God, and the 2 millenia of church arts are testament to that.  Theologically, what does it say to jettison all activities that aren&#8217;t expressly evangelical?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good friend of mine left the mega church I went too and he was the youth pastor of, to be a part of a much &quot;simpler&quot; church plant. However, this church was swiftly pulled into the programming that most churches feel they need.  He then left and started a church called &quot;Simple C.&quot;  He and his wife have much of the view that Thom Rainer and Eric Geiger have.  I even wonder if he may have been to a conference that they spoke at?  Here is his website in case you are interested in what he started in his community.  http://simplec.typepad.com/simplec/2008/05/index.html&lt;br/&gt;Love ya.&lt;br/&gt;H]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good friend of mine left the mega church I went too and he was the youth pastor of, to be a part of a much &#8220;simpler&#8221; church plant. However, this church was swiftly pulled into the programming that most churches feel they need.  He then left and started a church called &#8220;Simple C.&#8221;  He and his wife have much of the view that Thom Rainer and Eric Geiger have.  I even wonder if he may have been to a conference that they spoke at?  Here is his website in case you are interested in what he started in his community.  <a href="http://simplec.typepad.com/simplec/2008/05/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://simplec.typepad.com/simplec/2008/05/index.html</a><br />Love ya.<br />H</p>
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